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#1 Terry4

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 01:39 AM

Following a447 ‘s posts about travelling ,and using the apps to meet guys,

May I ask if anyone has travelled into the areas of South Thailand.

I have travelled all over Thailand ( except Phuket which I prefer to avoid) and have loved all the areas from the beutiful isaan to the gorgeous Chiang Mai ,Chiang Rai .

But I have never ventured South to Pattani etc and down towards the Malaysian border.

(I should of probaly posted this in the areas forum,my mistake ,apologies)

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 01:23 PM

Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat = no-go zone, for pretty obvious reasons

 

You can easily go to Hat Yai though, plenty of flights there. Never been there, all I can say is from hearsay and maybe some websites such as tragelgayasia. As I understand it, there is a pretty sizeable commercial sex scene (str8 and gay) including male massage shops, mostly catering to Malaysians crossing the nearby border. 



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Posted 30 September 2018 - 01:31 PM

Getting caught being involved in gay sex in the Muslim south of Thailand - or in any fundamentalist Muslim area for that matter - would most likely be a death sentence.

Best avoid.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 02:20 PM

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a447a, please don't exaggerate and be a scaremonger.
Thailand is far from being a fundamentalist Muslim country, not even the troubled south.
Stop the crap. Just stick to your sex adventures.

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 02:32 PM

Any evidence of fundamentalist Islam in that area? the violence in the region isn't religious but nationalistic. It's about land and national identity. There are pockets of Islamism in Indonesia and perhaps some of the remote Philippine islands but not in Thailand. To my knowledge , anyway.  

I've spent too long in Muslim communities in Africa and the Middle East  not to be suspicious of some of the generalisations I read in the western media.



#6 Londoner

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Posted 30 September 2018 - 02:34 PM

Thanks witty....we must have posted almost simultaneously! 



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Posted 01 October 2018 - 12:07 AM

Witty, you need to calm down.

I was under the impression from media reports that there was a Muslim insurgency in the south of Thailand and that isome fundamentalists haven killed school children, teachers and Buddhists. If they are not fundamental Muslims, what are they? Moderates?

I have never been there so can only rely on what I read in the press, including the Bangkok Post.

I'm not scaremongering. But there is no way I'd walk down the street with my guy-du-jour in a society with people openly hostile to gays.

It only takes one.

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 12:41 AM

For normal Thai the south is all south of BKK. For touristy purposes places like Krabi, Phuket, Koh Samui/Tao/Pangnga etc. belong to that.

Beyond HYai its mostly called far south. The struggle is  more against all personifications of the Thai govmt. Alas, its bad enpough, but teachers and the like tend to come from far away there. It was never really aimed at westerners, but it could be the ''wrong place, wrong time''. However, it seems that the bomb-planting etc has toned down the last 2 yrs-they have caught a few insurgents and the Malays (who offered shelter to them) are now also cooperating. The area is also notorious as temporary shelter for Rohingya etc. (all muslim) on the move to Malaysia. These warnings usually stay on for years.

I've travelled twice along it, from HYai to Malay border north-east toward Kota Baru, the 2nd time was notably much more safety influenced by Thai military everywhere etc. HYai has enough to please people like us in transit for a day or 2.

But the bonus_ one of the hottest guys I've ever had the pleasure to meet was a dead-poor and really gay guy (in western sense) from Pattani, who was delighted that after some try-out we could talk slowly in what I call bahasa and he yawi=the local dialect. Was completely beyond what he believed to be possible.



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Posted 01 October 2018 - 02:31 AM

The Australian government has issued this warning :

"Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat and Songkhla, do not travel

We advise against all travel here due to the very high risk. If you do travel, you should typically seek professional security advice. Be aware that regular travel insurance policies will be void and that the Australian Government is unlikely to be able to provide consular assistance."

I would guess that other governments have offered similar advice. The area is dangerous.

Although homosexuality is tolerated by many moderate Muslims, it is strictly forbidden in the Koran. In that community you would be safe, I think. You may get disapproving looks, but noone is likely to physically attack you if they think you are gay.

But in a society where there are some who interpret the Koran more strictly and are willing to kill anyone who dares insult their religion or, for example, draws pictures of the Prophet, things can turn nasty very quickly.

It's bad enough that I'm considered an infidel by some. As a gay man I certainly would not feel safe.

BTW, I never said that Thailand was a "fundamentalist Muslim country."

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 12:27 PM

Terry4, I think that any travel south from Hat Yai would be very unwise.



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Posted 01 October 2018 - 01:21 PM

Definitely there is even a travel advisory issued for malaysian citizens against travelling to those deep/far south region in thailand (Pattani, Yala, Narathiwat, Songkhla). There has been cases that malaysian citizen being hit by stray bullet in those area. Though the movement there is more ethnic related, and just so happens their religion is islam. They are just culturally very different than the rest of thailand, and even their language are more similar to malay than thai. Hatyai on the other hand is still safe for travel, and some of thai MB in KL also use hatyai as their place to stay while resetting their visa before coming back here. One of my favorite guy from dreamboys comes from trang, a city north of hatyai, south of phuket.

My take is if u want to travel there, just avoId the far south region, and u should be fine.

#12 Terry4

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 01:47 PM

Terry4, I think that any travel south from Hat Yai would be very unwise.


Yes Neddy you maybe right but something still tells me to see myself

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 01:58 PM

This thread illustrates very nicely how some governments have a vested interest in encouraging ignorance and Islamophobia. 

Cui bono?



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Posted 01 October 2018 - 02:53 PM

Londoner thats why i would rather see myself.

I may sound like a idiot to some i guess but i would take a few precautions first

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 03:56 PM

Londoner thats why i would rather see myself.

I may sound like a idiot to some i guess but i would take a few precautions first maybe even see if i can get a local guide etc.

Yes i too think this islamaphobia is here tobtry to create fear

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Posted 01 October 2018 - 05:34 PM

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It's funny how the politically correct love to shout "islamaphobia" at every turn.

I am not an islamaphobe, as demonstrated by my comment above:

"Although homosexuality is tolerated by many moderate Muslims, it is strictly forbidden in the Koran. In that community you would be safe, I think. You may get disapproving looks, but noone is likely to physically attack you if they think you are gay."

And i hardly think the governments who state that the area is a no-go zone for travellers could be considered "islamaphobic."

The best way to find out is really like is to do what Terry said - go see for yourself.

I simply prefer to heed the government's travel advice.

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Posted 05 October 2018 - 06:35 PM

I have been to Hat Yai several times. The gay scene is dwindling, details see on my blog. I met a Malaysian Muslim in one of the gay saunas of Hat Yai (I think now only one is left), and I asked him how he can reconcile gay sex and being Muslim, and he talked to me in fluent English for 10 minutes, but after that I was no wiser.

 

I have visited the far south (Narathiwat and Pattani) in Jan 2016, report of gay activities here:

https://christianpfc...nd-pattani.html

 

Overall, friendly people and the only provinces in Thailand where you can go for days without seeing another White. Even in places like Sakon Nakon, Phichit, Bueng Garn, I see at least one other White per day. I would go there (Narathiwat, Pattani, Yala) again any time!



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 12:52 AM

QUOTE From Chirsitanpfc:

I met a Malaysian Muslim in one of the gay saunas of Hat Yai (I think now only one is left), and I asked him how he can reconcile gay sex and being Muslim, and he talked to me in fluent English for 10 minutes, but after that I was no wiser.

 

HAHAHA

Not much different from my experience as a Southern Baptist in my youth...

NO DANCING ALLOWED, but we danced anyway.

Now it is NO HOMOS, but I am sure they are still throughout the Church.

Live your own life and do not worry about the Bible or the Koran!



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 08:55 AM

Agreed.

It's odd how Muslims are held to account for every deviation from the Koran while it is accepted that Jews, Christians, Hindus and even some Buddhists are given leeway to retain their faith alongside their sexuality. Buddhists? yes....those of us who have boyfriends who are involved in DMC  will know what I'm talking about. That's why I regard it as Islamophobic.



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Posted 09 October 2018 - 10:33 AM

 

Live your own life and do not worry about the Bible or the Koran!

reminds me bumper sticker I saw " If you live like God don't exist, you'd better be right"






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